New shop for joe scale firearms soon

[genkhrylov]

I just thought id share, I have commissioned some joe scaled guns to be made in 3d model form, so they will be available on shapeways in the not too distant future. All the designs are based on real world firearms and scopes/sights etc.

If the first wave goes well, I'll make more. I don't have the prices set yet, but my markup per set will be very low, as I'm really doing it for cool gear in joe scale, rather than money.

To make the items cheaper, I'll be selling them in sets of more than one firearm unless it's a big weapon with it's own accessories (like ammo cans etc).

I'll post pics in a couple of weeks, when I have the prototypes in hand. The shop and designs won't be stepping on any toes, as I have intentionally only made designs that others have not, and that includes items people have shown as coming in the future.
I just wanted to make a thread I can update, each time there is an update.

I'd also love feedback when the time comes for that. Real feedback, so that is positive as well as negative.

Thanks for reading.

 

[K-Tiger]

Looking forward to seeing these.

 

[genkhrylov]

I think you'll like the weapons, and the weapons they are based on. If it goes well and I make a series 2, I already have in mind a firearm I know you quite like. I had attempted to figure out how to make the 1229 system, but the wire is a stumbling block for a number of reasons, as well as the inherent problems of making a universally fitting backpack..

 

[K-Tiger]

If I was gonna do the battery and assault frame I'd leave it up to the end user to do their own peg and wiring. I know when I did it I used a single strand of copper wire.

 

[genkhrylov]

The problem is, I can't include the wire in the set, nor the parts for the peg, etc. it might be grounds for full refund and complaints if I sell an item that is essentially incomplete in their eyes and so forth. A lot of refunds on an item or complaints means they can simply close your shop straight away.

 

[K-Tiger]

Yeah, I bet there are some guys out there that would complain, even if you stated clearly that they would need to complete them.

 

[G.I.*EDDIE]

Eager to see what your results

 

[Monkeywrench]

can't wait to see

 

[Keenan]

Best of luck, looking forward to checking it out.

 

[loadedtomcat]

can't wait

 

[genkhrylov]

Thanks for the good luck wishes, I appreciate it.

I wanted to ask a question from you guys re sets of add on scopes and silencers.

The options for attachment, which of course has to be decided to be the universal solution for all scopes, are: a flat portion of the attachment area so one can either glue the pieces on to the firearms or Dremel a hole in gun and attachment area and use the thinnest styrene rod size for strong fastening, or

The attachment point on the scope has a small protruding pin which one puts into a dremeled hole in other firearms of choice.

I figure people will use these on firearms I haven't made too, hell I know I will, so the first option might be best. What are your views on this as potential customers?

I know I'll offer all the sets in all the material options, but do you thinks it's a problem to need to paint the weapons? Shapeways cheapest print is detail white plastic, but black is also an option for slightly more. I wondered if people would be put off if they bought the cheapest option but then needed to paint the white weapons/parts?

Essentially I am trying to figure out the best attachment option for scopes and the like. The second point is really whether need to paint or do anything to the accessories or firearms is an issue for potential customers.

The modding issue matters, as I want all the items to be of the material the customer chooses, cheap as possible, and able with all the ranges of figures and accessories in the 3 3/4 inch figure range.

Any views would be greatly appreciated!

 

[K-Tiger]

I say go with the k.i.s.s. principle. Whatever is simplest. I'm fully capable of pinning scopes on if glue alone won't work.

As for white guns, most customizers worth their salt are capable of painting a gun. I imagine a top coat of black Krylon Fusion will work for the less capable and will be fine as a start for those of more advance skills.

 

[MMorelock66]

I'd say mold them in plain black. Mainly because I just dry brush my weapons with silver to make them worn. But silencers and scopes? I tend to glue them on my weapons anyway. So that would be just as good!

 

[Falcone]

The parts you sell will be ones made directly by Shapeways correct? If so you basically have to have the parts made in white. The parts Shapeways makes in black are very brittle to the point where they are unusable. The "white strong and flexible" is the most durable parts they make.

 

[genkhrylov]

I was thinking of selling them in all material options available. If the samples I get first are no good in a specific material, I'll remove tht option. I don't really have any choice re the colour, my question was more about whether or not this is an issue.(that people need to paint the guns themselves, as the cheapest and best option is really the white sturdy plastic).

 

[Fled74]

Base colour shouldn't be an issue for most of us.
I can't wait to see what you come up with.

 

[G.I.*EDDIE]

Painting a gun up....piece of cake

Paint rubbing/chipping from placing in figures hand...pain in the ass

 

[genkhrylov]

Do you not seal the painted items? Just curious, as I thought customisers that paint items tend to seal them too, no?

 

[genkhrylov]

I'll make sure the white strong and flexible is also available dyed black. That should resolve that potential issue.

 

[G.I.*EDDIE]

Yeah, ive sealed things, but that only lasts so long...but I forgot about the Shapeways stuff taking dye well, so it's all good

 

[genkhrylov]

I haven't put things up for sale yet, but have ordered the prints of the models that I have up in my private area. Still more being modelled at the moment, so still a little time before I put the things up for sale.

I have made all the items sets, either of different items or multiples of the same. This is to save costs. Some shapeways operating factors for this: 1.50 USD handling flat fee for the materials, and a flat rate shipping fee. Working within these confines, and the fact that items cost this plus the cost of materials, the sets workout a lot cheaper per item. ALOT cheaper.

I have worked out several ways to keep cost down, and I'm happy with what it looks like end cost will be. As my markup will be so small, they'll need to sell in a reasonable number to break even, but I'm mainly looking forward to that these things will actually be available in our hobby.

As it stands the first wave looks like it will consist of 9 items, not just firearms. It'll include firearm accessories, and a customising set with a batch of duplicates of one useful customising item.

I won't be doing (for the foreseeable future):
Heads
Bodies
Legs
Guns made correctly scaled and proportioned by others will not be made
Ninja stuff
Sci-fi stuff

It'll all be correctly proportioned, scale real world firearms and gear. Even smaller accessories will be real world and scale, and proportional.
The accessories will of course work with the various ranges of figs in joe size, and their weapons.


Some (alot) of the weapons made by our favourite manufacturers are way off scale and proportion, but all these will be correct. It's a while yet, but I'll post pics when I have them in hand and have experimented with the paints on them etc.

 

[fogger1138]

Gear especially will be welcome. Not too many customizers that I know of who are doing anything other than reproduction gear at this point.

 

[K-Tiger]

^^^^ Mmmhmm, pouches, pouches, pouches.

 

[genkhrylov]

Pouches are indeed amongst the items. The pouches won't be generic, they are specific pouches in scale, and they are for specific magazine/ ammo types. And will be in sets with a lot of them. So you only need to buy one set of a type and you have all that type you need for a lil while. As it stands one pouch set should cover 8 or mor figures for a specific pouch type. This way it's cheap per pouch. And it won't cost what you think..

 

[K-Tiger]

AK and 30rnd M16/M4 I presume?

 

[genkhrylov]

Plus svd. Molle style, rather than the 4 mag 2x2 style, as the Molle style gets around a lot,and has more custom potential/freedom. I won't be making m4s or m16s (rifles) though, as there are a lot about. I'm just making what's not out there, and what has been done so in accurately that it doesn't count. Proper vsk-94 will be made, for example. For those that don't know, it's the "automatic pistol" that came with the viper that had the panzerfaust 3. It's a Russian suppressed urban dm/ squad dm/ recon force select fire weapon.

 

[K-Tiger]

Definitely need SVD mag pouches. Problem is the SVD. I like Hasbro's Winter Soldier one (other than the crappy plastic), but I've yet to see Capt. A figures go on clearence to grab one or two more.

As for good M4 mag pouches, I know of none.

 

[genkhrylov]

Sorry, I meant the rifles (m4, m16) wont be made. The pouches will.

 

[K-Tiger]

Ah, got ya, got ya.

 

[fogger1138]

I need to get a copy of the Winter Soldier SVD and then get someone to cast it.

 

[genkhrylov]

I guess I'll just put it here in the thread. I as going to keep quiet about all the firearms coming, but the svd is included, in a set . The set will have several svd dragunovs, with a variety of scopes. So regular scope, night scopes.. The scopes are all real world scopes used on the svd.

 

[genkhrylov]

So the guns mentioned so far:
Svd dragunov with different real scopes
Vsk-94 (auto pistol from the viper set, but a lot bigger, as it'll be correct scale, proportions).

Both these count as unmade, as the dragunov will have scopes that have never been made in our scale, and the vsk-94 that came with the viper just isn't anything.

The pouches I have mentioned are:
Ak style magazine pouches
M4/m16 30 round mag pouches
Svd dragunov magazine pouches

 

[K-Tiger]

Sweet, probably cut the 1PN58 and add it to a suppressed AK for some proper Cobra Night Watch action.

 

[genkhrylov]

It's already one of the items (Ak with pbs-1 suppressor andnight sight) as well as the special forces recon variant of the aksu (suppressed, with Tishina suppressed grenade launcher).

There is also a set of silencers and scopes (1pn34 and PBS-5). Correct scale and size. Even the silencers are not generic but specific ones, and correct. So aksu has PBS-5, Ak has PBS-1.

 

[K-Tiger]

Sounds awesome.