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Yeah, but the G1 toy had air vents that took up most of the flat white space. And you are correct, the real world car had all kinds of big decals and such. The big flat white space just screams "we're too lazy to add some detail here, just like the old ladies in the sweatshop that animated the show in 1985..."

I'll have to modify that for sure. Maybe some extra grills made out of some gundam metal detail decals.

But I'll just have to wait for someone to cast Bluestreak's head because I'm not leaving that neckless block on top of his deck-lid.

Yeah, Eddie, I know about front air dams, splitters, and such (I've been an avid nascar fan most of my life). But there is something off about this one. I have no problem with the placement or shape of the bumper (I admit it's fairly accurate for the '79 race version), but the lack of any detail just looks goofy to me.
 
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You could also get some dry rub decals meant for slot cars in at hobby lobby...I bought some for Clutches Vamp...they are a bunch of like sponsor decals...
 

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I kinda like the head. Looks like he's got a racing helmet. I do think it's a tad boxy though, including the chest. But it does look a lot like the animation model. I wonder if he also has the same laser things that the other two do, just folded away and not shown?
 

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I saw a pic somewhere (probably TFW) that shows the swing hinges attaching to the giant trapezoid laser launchers, with the poster saying the gunthing clipped to the hinge to stay in place.

As for logos and such, I think TT made the right call. Their MO is G1 accuracy, combining toy, animation, and "spirit." They pretty much nailed it with Smokescreen. For every one person that wants a Datsun-stamped air dam, there's just as many, if not more, that want it clean. And it's a lot easier to add something than take it away. *gives the stinkeye to Sideswipe's giant Autobot logo*
 

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I've heard talk of the sideswipe logo dustup, but I never comprehended what people were upset about. Do they think he shouldn't have one? I don't recall him ever being without it.

I realize the deco is a balancing act; however, they picked the plainest Electromotive deco and anime-ified it far too much for my taste. The vents aren't nearly large enough, and the lack of detail or deco in favor of this huge blank white bumper just sucks.

To me, Tak did a pretty piss poor job of reproducing the original.
 

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Nacho, you cray. :rolleyes:

I dunno, I think it looks pretty spot-on, and I'm usually pretty picky. I guess we're just seeing different things. I think it's clever how the "SlotFever" logo looks just like "Goodyear" if you blur your eyes, but the others are a bit of a headscratcher. "Devcon" is a nod to Devendorf, I'd imagine, but the others seem a tad silly. What's with "HUCK"?
 

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The logo on 'Swipe is just too big. I don't mind that it's there, I mind that it's the same size as Prime's shoulder badge. :confused:

I think the disagreements over Smokescreen come down to wanting an accurate car replica vs. wanting a faithful representation of the G1 cartoon/toy. It can't be both. If anything, I would think the car body itself would be a bigger sticking point: They added the front and rear dam/spoiler, but left out the fender flares. The result is a half-assed replica of the car, but a faithful representation of the original toy.

I'm reminded of the car enthisuasts jumping down my throat back in the day because I said I would have preferred a red and green deco on Alternators Wheeljack. I wanted something that said "Wheeljack" (especially since the only thing Wheeljack about that toy was the name and head), they were quite happy with something that said "Ford." Different strokes and all that.
 

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As for Swipe's logo, I guess I don't care. I think it looks ok, and if I didn't like it, a two-second repro-label can cure it. I don't think the same is true for Smokes.

I can forgive the fender flares because different racing series had different fenders. So they're not necessarily incorrect, depending on the pic you look at.

But it's the liberties they took with the other parts, the ones that look worse than the G1 toy. There wasn't nearly that much big blank white space on the G1 toy. Maybe they're making room for people to put their own Datsun label. If so, I guess I could tolerate that, but I'm still not excited about this thing coming out of the box looking incomplete.

Look at it this way: If they had toon-ified the countach for sideswipe instead of trying to get the car mode as accurate as possible, I think most of the fanbase would have had kittens.

And for the record, I think the Alt Wheeljack should have had some kind of G1 deco because it looked nothing like Wheeljack. Then again, I was less than enthused about him being a ford mustang to begin with. Ask Eddie, I'm not a ford man.

All of this said, I'm a tremendous fan of the MP line. I'm normally perfectly fine with whatever they come out with. Rarely do I nitpick or complain about anything in this line. I'm ok with the mid-line change in scale (although I still content that the cars are a tad on the small side). I'm ok that they repaint the crap out of each mold. I love everything about the MP line. But for some reason, Smokescreen just looks so much worse than I expected, and I hate feeling so disappointed about a line I love so much.
 

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As for Swipe's logo, I guess I don't care. I think it looks ok, and if I didn't like it, a two-second repro-label can cure it.

I just cringed a bit lol. Cover-up stickers make me a sad panda.

I can forgive the fender flares because different racing series had different fenders. So they're not necessarily incorrect, depending on the pic you look at.

But it's the liberties they took with the other parts, the ones that look worse than the G1 toy. There wasn't nearly that much big blank white space on the G1 toy. Maybe they're making room for people to put their own Datsun label. If so, I guess I could tolerate that, but I'm still not excited about this thing coming out of the box looking incomplete.

Look at it this way: If they had toon-ified the countach for sideswipe instead of trying to get the car mode as accurate as possible, I think most of the fanbase would have had kittens.

Well, if it makes any difference, some people were upset that Sideswipe didn't include his Rallye Racing markings. I get where you're coming from though. I guess it's just that I've never seen Smokescreen as anything but Bluestreak modded slightly to evoke the look of a racer. That's what I was expecting, and that's what we got, so I'm okay. If I was expecting an accurate representation of the IRL real deal, yeah, I'd be disappointed too. But like the Wheeljack example, I care more about TF likeness than car likeness. When we get both, like with Sideswipe and Bluestreak/Prowl, all the better.

And for the record, I think the Alt Wheeljack should have had some kind of G1 deco because it looked nothing like Wheeljack. Then again, I was less than enthused about him being a ford mustang to begin with. Ask Eddie, I'm not a ford man.

Eh, I'm not attached nor repulsed by any particular car company. Which means I can put together stuff like this:



...and not be disgusted that I dared mess with the official Shelby Cobra colors or some such nonsense. :shhh: In the same vein, I didn't care that yellow was Chevy's chosen Corvette color, I just wanted a blue Tracks!



All of this said, I'm a tremendous fan of the MP line. I'm normally perfectly fine with whatever they come out with. Rarely do I nitpick or complain about anything in this line. I'm ok with the mid-line change in scale (although I still content that the cars are a tad on the small side). I'm ok that they repaint the crap out of each mold. I love everything about the MP line. But for some reason, Smokescreen just looks so much worse than I expected, and I hate feeling so disappointed about a line I love so much.

I'm sorry about that, even though I had nothing to do with it.
Though I think that after this, we know what to reasonably expect of repaints and remolds. Well, for the most part... it should be interesing to see how they handle Trailbreaker and Hoist. Most of the S2 characters were drawn differently to better reflect the toys, and I think those two have the greatest difference in animation models amongst mold-sharers.
 

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Well, don't cringe! I wasn't talking about a cover up sticker. I've never opened my MP-12 (all my toys are in storage until I finish our new house), so I assumed the big logo was a sticker that could be removed. My bad.

Eh, I'll get over my disappointment when I get him and get a new noggin on him. I just want him to be as awesome as the others straight out of the box. Oh well.

Nice WJ, btw. As the MPs roll out, I have less and less love for my Alts, but that's about as good as Fordjack can look.
 

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If the MP line continues like this, in another year or two I may jettison my Alternator collection so long as I get a decent Jazz, Tracks, Hound, and Mirage. Those are 4 of my favorite Alternators, and I may still hold onto them and a handful of the others, but I'd get rid of at least half of mine as it stands now. Ones I wouldn't want to get rid of would be Hot Rod, Mirage, and Hound, and maybe the ones I still plan on redoing as my Stunticons...

As it stands, I still like the Alternator line for being true 1:24 realistic vehicles, and I can still respect the engineering they brought to the table, because without it, the MP cars wouldn't be where they are now, I don't think.
 

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Well, don't cringe! I wasn't talking about a cover up sticker. I've never opened my MP-12 (all my toys are in storage until I finish our new house), so I assumed the big logo was a sticker that could be removed. My bad.

Eh, I'll get over my disappointment when I get him and get a new noggin on him. I just want him to be as awesome as the others straight out of the box. Oh well.

Nice WJ, btw. As the MPs roll out, I have less and less love for my Alts, but that's about as good as Fordjack can look.

Thanks. Unfortunately it's just a digibash. I got as far as disassembling an extra WJ, stealing the waist and feet from an extra Grimlock (which became Windcharger), and masking off the racing stripes... with scotch tape.
Yeah, that was a disaster waiting to happen. Thankfully the test runs with my crappy airbrush revealed that it was indeed crappy, and it got put on the back burner for nearly a decade.


And just to clarify, Sideswipe's chest logo is tampo on top of paint. It ain't going nowhere, not without an enouous mess.
The Reprolabels set for MP-12 does include several cover-up stickers for the chest with logos of various sizes. It's hideous, and what I thought you were taking about. Hence the cringing.


If the MP line continues like this, in another year or two I may jettison my Alternator collection so long as I get a decent Jazz, Tracks, Hound, and Mirage. Those are 4 of my favorite Alternators, and I may still hold onto them and a handful of the others, but I'd get rid of at least half of mine as it stands now. Ones I wouldn't want to get rid of would be Hot Rod, Mirage, and Hound, and maybe the ones I still plan on redoing as my Stunticons...

As it stands, I still like the Alternator line for being true 1:24 realistic vehicles, and I can still respect the engineering they brought to the table, because without it, the MP cars wouldn't be where they are now, I don't think.

I'm not sure I could ever willingly give up my Alt collection. They hit a chord with me that only the MP cars are hitting, but it's a different beast and awesome even if they're not true G1 representations. I just need to figure out a way to get them on display without spending a fortune. I took a group shot before putting them in storage and realized that it may be a while before they're out again.



I know what I need... a freaking house. This apartment stuff sucks lol.

I haven't jumped on board the MP line yet...however, if they do combiners, I'm ALL in!

I anticipate and fear the day when MP combiners come to light. I can see the Constructicons being $700, easy. :panic:
 

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Regarding the Mustang Wheeljack, is that a recent release?

I know that he was once part of the Alternator line a few years ago, but can this green/white one be found on the net or something?
 

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If you look closely you will see that several of my Alts have Reprolabels applied... but the Wheeljack set... ugh, it's nothing BUT sticker.
Between that set, and the proliferation of, "We can't think of anything good, so here's some random tribal tattoos and/or Fast and Furious stuff" I stopped anticipating their new releases.

I could still use that Mirage set though.
 

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I bought a bunch of their Alt sets right about the time MP's started coming out, and at that point, I completely lost all interest in their non-G1 alt modes. I don't think I put any of the stickers on.

I then decided that I'd save the G1-inspired stickers for my custom G1 MPs, assuming that HasTak would never make anything but Prime, Megs, and Seeker repaints. Now that they appear to be working on a full '84 crew, I'm probably going to put those un-started customs on the waaaaaay back burner as well.
 

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I anticipate and fear the day when MP combiners come to light. I can see the Constructicons being $700, easy. :panic:

Hasbro really needs to jump in on this combiner party...it's almost a guarantee that you'll sell 4-5 more figures if someone buys just one...

If I buy just one MP, say Prowl for example, I wouldn't necessarily buy any others...but if someone buys an MP Scrapper, you can bet they have 5 more MP purchases coming up...
 

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The problem is, how would they be released? TT has been shooting for roughly one MP a month, but that schedule has been very heavy on repaints and smaller toys. Constructicons would be a head or two shorter than the seekers in bit mode, and would likely be in the $100 range pre-import (if not more due to the lack of repaint potential). If you release them all in a row, that's a LOT of manufacturing overhead, as well as a lot of money for fans to drop in a short amount of time. Plus, the risk is there that the first two or so are under produced, since they won't have a realistic market reading until production has long completed. They wouldn't really be able to run more off since everything's set up for 3 and 4 (as a for-instance), unless further costs were incurred to set up another factory or three. Not ideal for TT, and the fans left in the cold are left wondering if they'll be able to complete Devastator. That would be alleviated somewhat by spacing the releases out, but even then we're talking at least a year to get everything out. They could go the two pack route, but then expensive just became twice as expensive. You run the risk of selling less units overall. And with all of it, consider reissues. You can't just reissue one, gotta do all six. And then we're right back to the combiner parts dominating the release schedule. Again.

It would be a bit easier to do the Scamble City combiners price and schedule wise, but they all involve massive amounts of scale cheating. Motormaster is either enormous in bot mode (his FEET are the front end of a cab-over) or way too small in alt mode. The Combaticons and Protectobots are all over the map. The Aerialbots could only be displayed with each other (scale-wise) in any mode but Superion.

In other words, it's complicated.
And I don't think adding Hasbro to the mix would help much at all. Though they are now numbering the MP releases, so that may be a good sign for the future.

In other news, G2 Sideswipe, fan poll for which mostly obscure/Japanese Autobot leader gets the MP treatment for the 30th anniversary, and MP-20 can't be announced yet because they're still finishing up the contract with a "tough" licensor. Please let it be Jazz or Bumblebee. I have serious doubts as to Porsche or VW ever caving on their no war machines stance, but... I can dream, right?
 
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Maybe, but I'll bet Lancia or Ligier can be had... and I'm not so sure about the germans either. They did it in '84...

Edit: aaaaaaaand per wiki-answers, "Lamborghini is owned by Audi AG, which is 99.7% owned by Volkswagen AG, which in turn is 30.9% owned by Porsche AG." So if they had no issue with Lambo doing it, why would VW or Porsche care either?
 
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Edit: aaaaaaaand per wiki-answers, "Lamborghini is owned by Audi AG, which is 99.7% owned by Volkswagen AG, which in turn is 30.9% owned by Porsche AG." So if they had no issue with Lambo doing it, why would VW or Porsche care either?

Lamborghini wasn't founded by the Nazi party (VW), didn't have its founder jailed for war crimes (Porsche), and didn't produce military machines from transports to tanks (both). VW owns the Lamborghini brand, but there's no war history associated with Lambo. Hell, they weren't even around until the 60s. It may seem silly to us that imaginary Transformers are lumped in with the all too real war machines of the past, but it's a different culture there. WW2 is still serious business.

Is that possibly changing? We may find out soon...

The word on Ligier is that it's under Ford's umbrella, so the car model shouldn't be a problem. The deco might... as with all the racers there's more to deal with than just the manufacturer. Plus back in the day someone involved was PISSED that Takara (and subsequently Hasbro) replicated their car without permission. If they're still around (and influential) it might get complicated. Though I imagine it's nothing money couldn't fix.

The last I heard on Lancia is that nobody could quite track down who owned the rights to the Stratos Turbo.
 

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WWII might still be serious business to some, but it clearly didn't bother porche/VW twenty-nine years ago, so I fail to see why it is a big issue now. Besides, they would be licensed for the good guys, the defenders of freedom, not the evil aggressors who want to enslave the world. You'd think they'd jump at the chance to be viewed in a positive light that way, if they really felt that strongly about it 75 years later.

I've heard the Ligier rumor too, and I just don't buy it that anyone objected to an homage paintjob on a toy. They changed the name for pete's sake, so the sponsor couldn't get mad, and the people who prevent marketing tobacco to kids can't get mad, not that any kids in the US or Japan even know who the sponsor is anyway. It just doesn't make sense to me that it would be an issue.

I thought Lancia is still making the occasional prototype car after a long hiatus, and I assume those people would have the rights to the older designs as well. But that's merely an assumption on my part.
 

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The problem is, how would they be released? TT has been shooting for roughly one MP a month, but that schedule has been very heavy on repaints and smaller toys. Constructicons would be a head or two shorter than the seekers in bit mode, and would likely be in the $100 range pre-import (if not more due to the lack of repaint potential). If you release them all in a row, that's a LOT of manufacturing overhead, as well as a lot of money for fans to drop in a short amount of time. Plus, the risk is there that the first two or so are under produced, since they won't have a realistic market reading until production has long completed. They wouldn't really be able to run more off since everything's set up for 3 and 4 (as a for-instance), unless further costs were incurred to set up another factory or three. Not ideal for TT, and the fans left in the cold are left wondering if they'll be able to complete Devastator. That would be alleviated somewhat by spacing the releases out, but even then we're talking at least a year to get everything out. They could go the two pack route, but then expensive just became twice as expensive. You run the risk of selling less units overall. And with all of it, consider reissues. You can't just reissue one, gotta do all six. And then we're right back to the combiner parts dominating the release schedule. Again.

It would be a bit easier to do the Scamble City combiners price and schedule wise, but they all involve massive amounts of scale cheating. Motormaster is either enormous in bot mode (his FEET are the front end of a cab-over) or way too small in alt mode. The Combaticons and Protectobots are all over the map. The Aerialbots could only be displayed with each other (scale-wise) in any mode but Superion.

In other words, it's complicated.
And I don't think adding Hasbro to the mix would help much at all. Though they are now numbering the MP releases, so that may be a good sign for the future.

My short answer would be to do it the same way third parties do it...they seem to be doing a fine job...


I won't touch scale..nacho knows how much that gets under my skin ;)
 

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WWII might still be serious business to some, but it clearly didn't bother porche/VW twenty-nine years ago, so I fail to see why it is a big issue now. Besides, they would be licensed for the good guys, the defenders of freedom, not the evil aggressors who want to enslave the world. You'd think they'd jump at the chance to be viewed in a positive light that way, if they really felt that strongly about it 75 years later.

I've heard the Ligier rumor too, and I just don't buy it that anyone objected to an homage paintjob on a toy. They changed the name for pete's sake, so the sponsor couldn't get mad, and the people who prevent marketing tobacco to kids can't get mad, not that any kids in the US or Japan even know who the sponsor is anyway. It just doesn't make sense to me that it would be an issue.

Long story short is that nothing was licensed for Diaclone/Transformers G1. Designs were borrowed and fudged to get around legal issues. It's not difficult to imagine someone getting pissed that their designs were basically stolen. More detail here: http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Licensed_vehicle_alternate_modes

I don't know if the Ligier story is true or not. I only stated what I've read. As for Porsche and VW, they very well may have been pissed, but couldn't do anything about it. IP was a different animal back then, as was international business. And interestingly, the whole hero/villain thing came up recently with Barricade in the Bay movies. Ford didn't want their brand used for a bad guy, so Hasbro/Paramount just licensed the Saleen version and eliminated any Ford logos.

I get what you're saying and agree for the most part, but what some see as common sense doesn't really enter into discussions about corporate law (especially IP). Or moral stances, for that matter.

My short answer would be to do it the same way third parties do it...they seem to be doing a fine job...


I won't touch scale..nacho knows how much that gets under my skin ;)

Well, the third parties don't really have to worry about scale, do they?
Most if not all of the combiners out/revealed fit right into the Classics-verse: recognizable but stylistic liberties taken. They also don't have to worry about juggling production schedules to fit multiple lines, producing enough to satisfy mass retail, or pleasing corporate overlords.


I think we'll see MP combiners at some point. But TT has to make sure all of the ducks are in a row and the eggs have hatched and all that.

Also, the last news I read on MP-20 was that TT stated it was going to be a concept car, which left everyone scratching their heads. Of course that was over 12 hours ago, there may be new information... which I will look at in the morning. Afternoon. Whatever, I'm going to bed.
 

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Also, the last news I read on MP-20 was that TT stated it was going to be a concept car, which left everyone scratching their heads. Of course that was over 12 hours ago, there may be new information... which I will look at in the morning. Afternoon. Whatever, I'm going to bed.

Well, a concept car COULD be interpreted to mean Lancia. It was never mass produced like most other makes/models that inspired the alt-modes (except the Ligier, which was a purpose-built racer, never meant to be a passenger car). Maybe something was lost in translation... fingers crossed. :)
 

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Well, a concept car COULD be interpreted to mean Lancia. It was never mass produced like most other makes/models that inspired the alt-modes (except the Ligier, which was a purpose-built racer, never meant to be a passenger car). Maybe something was lost in translation... fingers crossed. :)

Looks like that very well have been the case:

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/932198-hasuis-comments-mp20.html

Like a lot of others, I'm thinking that points squarely to Bumblebee or Jazz. It all fits.
 

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If that's true, I really hope it's Jazz.

- I'm just not a big Bumblebee fan. He was the Jar-Jar of the G1 'toon.
- I have no problem using ArtFeather Bumblebee as my MP stand-in
- Jazz is probably far more in demand
- Jazz has more repaint potential, i.e. I'll bet it'll be no time after they announce Jazz before they announce Stepper.

I'll be all over an MP 935. That would be all kinds of awesome.

Honestly, I'm surprised they haven't figured out a way to make a Sunstreaker out of MP-12 by having him transform kinda like the CHUG version. I think *most* fans would be ok with that (assuming that completely new tooling isn't an option, as Streaker doesn't really have much repaint potential at all, aside from a red Diaclone version for a few hardcore types).
 

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Considering the very-G1 nature of the "new" MP line, a retooled MP-12 for Sunstreaker would be out of place. Classics got away with it because it's Classics (same with Bin/Alt), and it was okay just to have cool toys reminiscent of G1. MPs ARE G1. And no matter how you slice it, Sunstreaker and Sideswipe were different in every way except the front half of the alt mode. There may not be a whole lot of repaint potential for Sunstreaker, but the same can be said for Hound, Wheeljack, Mirage, Skids, and Tracks: just Diaclone colors and e-Hobby/TFCC characters (and, of course, TT-favorite black). Yet I expect that if/when those characters are released, they'll be true to the source material and not feature any Wheeljack-and-Tracks-share-a-mold a la Generations.

I know there's a lot of BB hate going around, but both him and Jazz are equally essential IMO. Jazz would probably end up the superior toy, but I'd still want a Bumblebee. The Art Feather one is okay for what it is... a Classics re-shell. As for repaints, they're about even as far as "vintage" versions go. Jazz has Stepper and G2 (same car with a splashier deco). BB has a slight edge with Red BB, G2 (gold), and at least one international version (Volks, golden yellow lol). When you add in the e-Hobby and convention versions that number jumps up a bit. Of course, none of that will help you like Bumblebee more than you already don't. :thumbsup:
 

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I understand that streaker is fundamentally different, and that MPs are very G1, but that's why I said that I think people would be ok with a CHUG-style transformation streaker assuming completely new tooling wasn't an option. I'd rather get something that looks pretty close in both modes even if it's not perfect than nothing at all. And I assume that sunstreaker would be low on the priority list due to his low repaint potential. Obviously, if completely new tooling is on the table, then he would be nothing like sideswipe.

But all those other you list for also having low repaint potential... we haven't gotten any of those either. I think they'll wear out anything that can be reused. I suspect we'll get MP Trailbreaker/Hoist and Inferno/Grapple before we ever see Hound or Tracks. I don't really count e-hobby, diaclone, and other oddballs as major repaint potential just because a lot of fans don't give two shakes about those. Marlboro wheeljack would be cool, but how many TF fans would shell out another benjamin for that once they have the Alitalia version? That level of sales would pale in comparison to the potential of the datsun triplets or any other tooling that could be used for more than one G1 a-list or b-list characters.

But since they already have permission from lambo, who knows. Maybe sunstreaker's odd, non-stock deviations from a regular countach are what they meant by "concept car". I guess we'll see.

I don't hate bumblebee. I like all the '84 characters. I just resented his prominence in the toon and comic that came at the expense of characters I found much more interesting.
 

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I understand that streaker is fundamentally different, and that MPs are very G1, but that's why I said that I think people would be ok with a CHUG-style transformation streaker assuming completely new tooling wasn't an option. I'd rather get something that looks pretty close in both modes even if it's not perfect than nothing at all. And I assume that sunstreaker would be low on the priority list due to his low repaint potential. Obviously, if completely new tooling is on the table, then he would be nothing like sideswipe.

I'm leaning towards not getting a toy at all if it can't be done right. The attention to detail on what we've gotten so far has been fantastic. I don't see TT taking shortcuts on this line, especially when they can just raise the price like they did with Smokescreen (Â¥700 in at least some of the Japanese shops). They set a standard, with a beyond favorable response. To fall short of that standard to save a few yen in the short term doesn't make business sense in the long view, since that standard is what has grabbed collectors' attentions... and wallets.

But all those other you list for also having low repaint potential... we haven't gotten any of those either. I think they'll wear out anything that can be reused.

We haven't gotten any of them yet. We're only two molds into the new size/price point!
Sideswipe was proof-of-concept, with the principal designer (Hasui) stating that they wanted as much cross-appeal as possible due to not knowing if fans would plunk down the cash on smaller, non-leader Masterpieces. So we got an iconic supercar of a b-list character, with a built-in repaint, to test the waters. It sold phenomenally despite QC issues, and they got their answer: there's a definite market for MP cars. It's a given that they'll repaint anything they possibly can, and G1 provides that in spades. The rest is a balancing act. In the "old" MP line, TT released the MP-01 mold numerous times, which presumably helped fund the likes of Grimlock, Rodimus, and Megatron. I expect a similar approach going forward.

I suspect we'll get MP Trailbreaker/Hoist and Inferno/Grapple before we ever see Hound or Tracks. I don't really count e-hobby, diaclone, and other oddballs as major repaint potential just because a lot of fans don't give two shakes about those. Marlboro wheeljack would be cool, but how many TF fans would shell out another benjamin for that once they have the Alitalia version? That level of sales would pale in comparison to the potential of the datsun triplets or any other tooling that could be used for more than one G1 a-list or b-list characters.

The market isn't as big, but it's there. It absolutely makes sense to get the ball rolling with molds that offer built-in mainline/named character repaint appeal. And with the Datsuns, beyond Prowl/Streak/Smokes, we'll get at the very least a blue Bluestreak and a silver Bluestreak as well. Just like Tigertrack (and maybe G2 'Swipe?), they'll be exclusives of some kind, with lower production numbers to match the lower projected demand... and a higher price. Despite the who-dat nature of his character, Tigertrack sold out at the show almost immediately. If TT crunched the numbers and said, "We're making X number of Y toy," you can be sure that X number is profitable. And as they sold all X, I can only imagine that they're pleased. Something doesn't need to be all-or-nothing to work out favorably.

My guess is that we'll get a couple of the one-offs (and their Diaclone/e-Hobby buddies) before Inferno/Grapple/Artfire, simply because of desirability. I'd bet those three wouldn't come up a lot if people were asked to name their top ten favorite Transformers. It might make sense to hold off and offer those later, when collectors are already in up to their armpits and can see the finish line.

Odd note about TB/Hoist... I'm not sure how those would work as MPs. The toys obviously shared a mold, but the toon looks are quite different in bot mode. Not sure how they'd engineer that.

But since they already have permission from lambo, who knows. Maybe sunstreaker's odd, non-stock deviations from a regular countach are what they meant by "concept car". I guess we'll see.

Out of the S1/2 cars, Sunstreaker fits "concept" the best. I'm pretty sure the only place it existed before the toy was in the designer's brain.


I don't hate bumblebee. I like all the '84 characters. I just resented his prominence in the toon and comic that came at the expense of characters I found much more interesting.

Ah, gotcha. I think I avoided that by 1. not reading the comics and B) not being able to get through season 2 as an adult without cringing and/or falling asleep midway through an episode.
I really should do the comics at some point, but that's an intimidating nut to crack.
 

nacho

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I have no doubt they'll make plenty of crazy G2, ehobby, diaclone repaints and such. But I feel confident that they will go after the low-hanging fruit first. It just makes good business sense to do the ones with the most repaint potential for big name characters. G2 sideswipe has already been announced I think. The proto was not to my liking, but I'm not really much of a G2 guy.

The comic was ok. I read it back in the day, and it got me into other marvel comics much the same way Joe comics did. But, I can say with confidence that the Joe comics of the era are 1000% better than the same era TF comics. TF never had a writer of Hama's caliber, and I always found the art to be really sub-par (at least for the first several years). It seemed like the first few years were just a lot of Bumblebee and Buster Witwicky running around complaining, and then boom, all the '84-'85 guys were pushed aside and it's all headmasters and pretenders, all the time. The characters we know and love from the early years of TF got virtually no love in the comic. If you like headmasters and nebulons, you'll love it. I have fond memories of the comics and can remember certain stories and panels in my mind's eye that stuck with me, but when I go back and reread it, it's pretty painful. On the other hand, I could read the Marvel Joe series (at least the first 80 issues or so) ad infinitum.
 

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Hmm, good to know. I too enjoyed the Joe comics (even beyond Marvel). The TF art always stuck me as
as well, especially when placed next to Joe. I'll probably get around to them at some point. Maybe.


I'm not big on G2 either. It's probably my aversion to neon.
But there's people that will buy them... hell, there's a small subset of fans clamoring for a MP G2 Grimlock. Yeah, we didn't know for sure what color real dinosaurs were, so they could have been blue IRL. But this one was gray.