AV-8B first look.

birddog

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Maybe there's another element that explains why subjects many collectors commonly express high desire for don't get produced........ the personal opinion of the individual(s) within a manufacturing company that have the influence on what gets produced.

They don't like that subject themselves so why would anyone else..................:whatever:

When/if that happens, the growth and interest of the hobby stagnates more from collectors getting tired of not being listened too and manufacturers then want to blame collectors for not supporting the hobby......

Biggest problem I see with this hobby is that the manufacturers currently have a very good opportunity to produce many of the subjects that we've wanted for years due to the accepted price point being two to three times what it used to be. No more is there a hostile atmosphere between manufacturers still in the game, they all seem to go through the same outlet with their products actually. No more brick and mortar store deals with restrictions on "box sizes" for shelf space and price points that are way lower than they should be.

I know manufacturing costs have gone up, but stay away from all the nonessential gimmicks. I still think that if you produce a subject to the detail level of bbi's F-18, you'll have buyers even with a $200 price tag. Hell, they were selling for $80 when they first appeared in TRU almost 10 years ago. Do I think they could mass produce an A-10 to the detail level of the F-14 with a "true" ordinance load out for around $300-$350, no doubt. The F-14 is bigger and more complex so quit blowing smoke......
 
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I'd be happy to add a Harrier to my collection, I have all helicopters and would love a jet. My first choice is the F-14 but its just a bit big for the space available. If they are going to price the Harrier at the same price point I perceive the F-14 to be a better value because I desire it more. The driver for me in acquiring the Harrier would be a lower price and space saving.
 

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The Harrier is a great selection do to size and VTOL capabilities for dios or displays. It was certainly in my top 10. I think a Marine F-35 would have been a better choice with half the civilized world ordering them.
 

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If there's anything more disappointing than the existence of a 1:18 F-104 it would have to be a 1:18 F-35. I'm sorry, 5th gens are hideous, and I don't care what they may be capable of IRL.


I dunno why I bother with the scale any more. As my tastes skew ever more to the "hot" parts of the Cold War I know full well my chances for new models are infinitesimal.

That's life.
 

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For real, there are 1:18 custom Rambos that need a-killin'!
 

K-Tiger

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You can get the Osprey, but you're gonna have to settle for a Chyenne.

 

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There are so many great options out there, but I don't think inactive/cancelled/non-winning aircraft/rotocraft are likely to sell big. However, you'd think they could sell enough to make profit with anything currently active, with a basic body (a la BBI), a reasonable price and no unnecessarily pricey bells and whistles. The units actively using the aircraft alone would probably buy over a hundred of them if they were properly marketed and marked. Think of all the desktop models you see on the shelves in commanders' offices, let alone in museums, other AFB offices and lobbies, etc. I know the pilots would buy quite a few too. Set up shop at every major air show in the US. Heck, even Boeing and Lockheed Martin would probably buy a bunch if they were made right. If you were to throw in a cheap but functional hanging kit for drop ceilings, you'd see them hanging all over the place in offices and presentation rooms. I'm sure I'm oversimplifying it, but I still don't get why Merit couldn't make this happen.
 

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There are so many great options out there, but I don't think inactive/cancelled/non-winning aircraft/rotocraft are likely to sell big. However, you'd think they could sell enough to make profit with anything currently active, with a basic body (a la BBI), a reasonable price and no unnecessarily pricey bells and whistles. The units actively using the aircraft alone would probably buy over a hundred of them if they were properly marketed and marked. Think of all the desktop models you see on the shelves in commanders' offices, let alone in museums, other AFB offices and lobbies, etc. I know the pilots would buy quite a few too. Set up shop at every major air show in the US. Heck, even Boeing and Lockheed Martin would probably buy a bunch if they were made right. If you were to throw in a cheap but functional hanging kit for drop ceilings, you'd see them hanging all over the place in offices and presentation rooms. I'm sure I'm oversimplifying it, but I still don't get why Merit couldn't make this happen.


But they usually don't mark them up properly. There tends to be missing or incorrect markings, at least on the helos. :D I can't imagine they were a whole lot better elsewhere.



NSA, if I won the lotto things in 1:18 would get ugly. :salute:
 

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Also funny side note.. I was asking about the markings on the F-14, and how the engrish was so bad, and they said they sometimes just make them up (!!) and spell things wrong on purpose (??).

No reason why they shouldn't be able to just copy and paste the right info...
 

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Below the doors and above the FLIR and whatever is supposed to be on the belly of the MD 500 is "Danger" and a bunch of gibberish.

Their SFOR OH-58 depicts a real bird, but is missing several markings. 21st's "Hoghead II" was a real bird, missing markings and with an incorrect tail number. Same goes for "Ace of Spades" (which uses HHII's incorrect T#). "Easy Rider" I believe has the correct T# for the second bird named that.
 

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From what I've seen so far, the AV8-B thrills me in every way - the more features, the better - I don't mind paying the price for all that!
 

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More questions....

1) I notice the inlets surrounding the intakes are hinged. Do they move altogether or individually? It seems to me they might move in tandem to rotating the exhausts.

2) Does the refueling arm/probe extend outward?

3) Will they be adding in/painting on the detonation cord along the top of the canopy?

4) Does the air brake panels open out?

5) Does the flaps especially the ones nearest to the fuselage tilt down enough compared to the real deal? Would have been nice to photograph them in the down position.

Also, its a shame you didn't take any photos of the site's mascot next to the cockpit for size comparison. At least the pilot's seat helps out a little.
 

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Render unto me a Hind.

There are so many great options out there, but I don't think inactive/cancelled/non-winning aircraft/rotocraft are likely to sell big.


Probably, but you know Gigabread would buy at least 3 for customizing into Peace Sentinel and MSF colours.
 

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More questions....

1) I notice the inlets surrounding the intakes are hinged. Do they move altogether or individually? It seems to me they might move in tandem to rotating the exhausts.

Also, its a shame you didn't take any photos of the site's mascot next to the cockpit for size comparison. At least the pilot's seat helps out a little.

From what I recall, they snap in and out, each side moves together, not individually. I don't think they're tied to the exhausts, but a lot of the small details were not working yet because he didn't have the small metal pins and/or little pieces to make that work.

This was the first year I didn't bring any Joes with me to SDCC! He even asked if I could take a picture with one to show scale, but I didn't have any. Fail! Next year..
 

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More news in from Jim over at the SSMH.....

http://www.warbird-photos.com/gpxd/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=30090&sid=853c1e3cdf6e9316e8dcdd30995faf00

Jim@Merit
Don't know how Badcat came up with that price. The MSRP set by Merit is $49.98 for the Flak 88. perhaps you have to ask Badcat about this particular point.

Your opinion is well received and following are brief input for your points:

1. We understand your opinion about his marking is request by Europe and Japan. Both JSI and Merit felt Mr. Galland deserves a Bf-109 with a more correct canopy.


2. That is exactly what we are thinking, one modern and one WWII every 18 months or so. Perhaps with the support from more collectors, your suggestion can be realized.

3. The kits are strictly to help out to pay much higher tooling cost. The kits also serve as a bridge to bring in scale modelers into the PBnP collectible market and to facilitate those who likes to customize.

As for the lights, some collectors love it but of course, there are others who care less too.
In this case at no extra cost to the AV8B.

To clarify the myth that planes are more expensive with light:

1. VF-84 with lights was more expensive MSRP because the lights were added by modifying existing parts and adding of wire, switch, battery pack and LED. It was "Show Exclusive" created in last minute to support a show that JSI and Merit was a sponsor.

2. VF-154 had the same MSRP as the lighted version of the VF-84 because of the additional of all the new tooling of GBU Bombs and the LANTRN Pod. The lights was basically free of charge. Since MSRP were the same, thus creating a illusion that it is more expensive because of the lights.

Hope this is helpful
 

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You know, I asked Tony @ SDCC who "Jim" was, and he kind of laughed and, half jokingly said James Allen of 21st/AllGo infamy.. I assume he was joking but..

I just find it odd because I've seen Merit @ SDCC for, what 5 years now? I've visited their LA HQ and I've never ever met a "Jim @ Merit". You'd think he'd come down to help out at some point or another..
 

Beeavision

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Well, here's your answer on the Hind folks....

Jim @ Merit
I will also be very happy to buy a few 1/18 Hind for $225.00 each.

The Hind is quite massive. In 1/18 scale the model measures 38.22 inches long with lots of rivets detail that cost dearly to reproduce. The 1/32 B-17G Model Kit by HK model has similar level of rivets detail and with a MSRP of $299.00.


Anyway, please refer to the other link for price for "light features"

Thank you

Jim
 

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What about the Ka-50, or are there too many pieces in the rotor system for it to be feasible?