Takara Transformers
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Sunstreaker's body looks great, but his head seems weird. Not sure I like the toon style head since he was one of my very first and favorite toys.
He's like a BC Sunny but with improvements. No Urkle pants or duck feet. Still, I prefer SO over TTs toony stuff that only blends with it's other toony stuff but stands out from it's pre-toony stuff.
Exactly Eddie. My Spinout isn't going anywhere. TT does fix a lot of the badcube problems (duck feet and urklepants), but the huge backpack, butt flap, and toony "spock ears" head are friggin terrible. Just like Ironhide & Ratchet, I'll be happy with my 3P version until a TT KO comes out... i.e. something cheap I can try to salvage without feeling bad about modding it.
PCS, no doubt, that head is just abysmal. It's like they specifically set out to match the most awkward, rushed animation screen cap they could find... rather than coming up with the "ultimate" version that combines the best of the toon and toy. Instead of designing something inspired by the same source material as the animation, they just poorly copied the toon. So awful.
But I have no doubt that a 3P or shapeways designer will offer a real head for this guy... or hasbro will troll everyone and do it when they bring the design to TRU in about three years.
PCS, no doubt, that head is just abysmal. It's like they specifically set out to match the most awkward, rushed animation screen cap they could find... rather than coming up with the "ultimate" version that combines the best of the toon and toy. Instead of designing something inspired by the same source material as the animation, they just poorly copied the toon. So awful.
But I have no doubt that a 3P or shapeways designer will offer a real head for this guy... or hasbro will troll everyone and do it when they bring the design to TRU in about three years.
You watch. TT will redo the pre-toony MPs (Datsuns, Optimus, etc.) into the super toony style to force some double dipping. BUT, before they finish up the line in the super toony style, they'll change directions again. It's a trap! 
I see you, TT. You're not fooling me.
I see you, TT. You're not fooling me.
Eh, I don't even care. I'm so close to being finished...
- XTB Cliffjumper
- XTB Springer
- FT Arcee
- XTB Kup
- FT Blitzwing
and maybe a tolerable G1 MP Astrotrain from anyone (I haven't seen a good one yet). Maybe a good MP Sharkticon (or two) too. Either way, my want list is growing short.
I've given up on MP combiners... from a space, cost, and lack of interest standpoint. Another half-dozen figures and I'm out. They can toonify the line five ways from sunday for all I care. TT lost me at Ironhide, and I haven't bought an official figure since. Ironhide, Ratchet, Hotrod, Megatron, Grapple, Inferno... and now Sunstreaker will make seven TT MP's in a row that I've skipped due to shitty designs. WTF Mattel!
What kills me is the people slobbering takara's knob over these things. Are they really that blind? Is crappy-screen-cap-accurate really the preferred aesthetic among fandom? Am I taking crazy pills or are they eating retard sandwiches?
Eh, like I said, soon it won't matter. My collection is already the stuff my childhood self would dream about. And thankfully the 3Ps willingly give us what TT won't. I feel sorry for the "official only" crowd.
- XTB Cliffjumper
- XTB Springer
- FT Arcee
- XTB Kup
- FT Blitzwing
and maybe a tolerable G1 MP Astrotrain from anyone (I haven't seen a good one yet). Maybe a good MP Sharkticon (or two) too. Either way, my want list is growing short.
I've given up on MP combiners... from a space, cost, and lack of interest standpoint. Another half-dozen figures and I'm out. They can toonify the line five ways from sunday for all I care. TT lost me at Ironhide, and I haven't bought an official figure since. Ironhide, Ratchet, Hotrod, Megatron, Grapple, Inferno... and now Sunstreaker will make seven TT MP's in a row that I've skipped due to shitty designs. WTF Mattel!
What kills me is the people slobbering takara's knob over these things. Are they really that blind? Is crappy-screen-cap-accurate really the preferred aesthetic among fandom? Am I taking crazy pills or are they eating retard sandwiches?
Eh, like I said, soon it won't matter. My collection is already the stuff my childhood self would dream about. And thankfully the 3Ps willingly give us what TT won't. I feel sorry for the "official only" crowd.
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I don't get it either. I mean, I enjoyed the toon when I was a kid, but the blind devotion to that slapped together ½ hour commercial is mind bottling. TT/Hasbro must be laughing. "Really?? They want us to make figures accurate to this??"
I joke, but I can guarantee there are some bat-sh!t crazy fans out there that would have orgasms for figures of the animation errors. Mis-colored, mis-sized, whatever else was wrong...they'd eat it up.
The 1:18th scaled TFs have me losing interest in MPs. I've actually considered unloading them all. I mean, initially, I had little interest in them. I only started picking them up when the cheap KOs started popping up. Then I made the BTTF figure and it just started snowballing.
I don't know what I'm doing anymore. Maybe JUST combiners? Maybe JUST Devastators? Maybe JUST 1:18th TFs? Maybe nothing? I'm getting better at talking myself out of this stuff. "Why?" weighs on me more and more with every consideration.
Agreed. I used to buy stuff just because. As my collection grows, I simply need less. and as the choices grow, the ability and desire to get everything goes away. So where there used to be an automatic buy, now there is a decision point... a decision that typically doesn't go TT's way in the face of better products from 3Ps.
BBTS is listing SS @ $120! I wasn't willing to pay $80, but that's nuts, especially for such a mediocre looking figure. I'm sure they'll claim it's the new, higher parts-count (because they can't claim it's the price of oil). If I get one, it'll definitely be the $30 KO to mod. If that doesn't happen, I'll gladly keep my fixed-up Omni.
BBTS is listing SS @ $120! I wasn't willing to pay $80, but that's nuts, especially for such a mediocre looking figure. I'm sure they'll claim it's the new, higher parts-count (because they can't claim it's the price of oil). If I get one, it'll definitely be the $30 KO to mod. If that doesn't happen, I'll gladly keep my fixed-up Omni.
Granted, the two 3P choices both have major flaws (one's a QC mess and one's ugly as f#$k). But still, I don't care if this figure has twice as many parts as Prowl, the bar has been set, and there is no chance I'm paying $120 for a carbot when Quakeblast was $80, MPP-10 was $90, and any seeker you like can be had for under $100.
TT thinks a lot more highly of themselves than I do. 3P competition is generally pushing prices down, while TT thinks they can charge $120 for Spockstreaker and twice that for High-pockets-tron. It appears they are simply going to milk the TT-Only crowd and completely forsake competing with 3P's at similar price points. More power to them, but I'm not playing that game. KO or GTFO.
TT thinks a lot more highly of themselves than I do. 3P competition is generally pushing prices down, while TT thinks they can charge $120 for Spockstreaker and twice that for High-pockets-tron. It appears they are simply going to milk the TT-Only crowd and completely forsake competing with 3P's at similar price points. More power to them, but I'm not playing that game. KO or GTFO.
I fell off my couch when I got that email today. Greedy fuckers just made me put it on hold until the KO comes out in 10 months.
At this rate, Jazz will be half My Little Pony for $200 if they ever make him.
Right, but paying nearly double for a replacement when most already have one of the cheaper alternatives, is likely going to cause many to be content with what they already have. Sure TT will snag quite a few label/official fanatics, but I think that cost is going to turn off a lot of potential buyers if they (TT and the scalpery e-tailers) otherwise could've had.
I actually think it's the fans they think very lowly of. "Trust me, it says TT on it. There'll be plenty of suckers...I mean customers *wink*."
I agree Nacho, TT sees they only have a 10mo window to prey on the diehards before the KOs show up and get us sensible folk. That's why they doubled the damn price of a carbot. At least Ironhide was significantly bigger at the $80 point.
So I bought this thing. Certainly did not think I'd buy anything from this line, but Wei Jiang really did some magic and all for $40 shipped. Making him a foot tall was apparently not enough for them considering they added a bunch of die cast and articulation all while getting him into US hands before Hasbro's voyager figure even hits the shelves. Craziness. I bought him because he's a big badass samurai robot, not because he's suppose to be megatron. Seriously, watch a minute or two of Ben's video.
https://youtu.be/f2SocYIRO18
https://youtu.be/f2SocYIRO18
Bay stuff is equal to Barbies, or MLP, or Power Rangers, or Pokemon or any of the other properties I give zero efs about. Just say'n.
I don't even know who or what that is! Definite samurai vibe though.
To be fair, I think I'm two or three bayformer movies behind, so it's possible I just haven't seen him yet. But I generally have the same attitude toward movie figures as eddie... they just don't move the needle for me.
To be fair, I think I'm two or three bayformer movies behind, so it's possible I just haven't seen him yet. But I generally have the same attitude toward movie figures as eddie... they just don't move the needle for me.
I've yet to see him either, but my daughter wants to go see the movie for some strange reason. I just stumbled across the video and fell in love with this monster. No Transformers symbols on it thankfully (this guy must have added one to the chest).
Pictures keep rolling out and I'm dying to play with this fucker. Mine will have silver in place of the clear red plastic that the first batch shipped with.
Pictures keep rolling out and I'm dying to play with this fucker. Mine will have silver in place of the clear red plastic that the first batch shipped with.
Is it even a TF? I seriously have no idea who or what the fuck that is. If you posted it anywhere but this thread, I'd never know it was supposed to be from cybertron.
If I saw that on someone's shelf, I would naturally assume it was some kind of anime character, something the do with shogun warriors or samurai. It's closer to so weird gundam than any TF I've ever encountered.
If I saw that on someone's shelf, I would naturally assume it was some kind of anime character, something the do with shogun warriors or samurai. It's closer to so weird gundam than any TF I've ever encountered.
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I hate Bay. I absolutely, downright hate him. And I hate the masses for continuing to support that nonsense. "Oh! You like it? Well how bout more of the same? Better yet, we double down on this garbage? Huh? Yeah? Yeah?! DONE! More crap that has nothing to do with transformers!"
I agree Eddie except for one point, it's been 10yrs now and our kids like TFs because of him. It's fun to share the history with my daughter and let her see the evolution. Geewun was only a couple of years, so we are now the oddballs.
Nothing about that Megatron says Transformer to me. Nothing. It just looks like a metal warrior with excellent articulation and balance. Just something I want to play with because it looks wicked. No kibble to distract you like a vehicle hanging off his back. Brilliant design really. Sometimes I just buy robots because they are cool and I love robots. My love of TFs is only a part of the greater robot love in this house.
Nothing about that Megatron says Transformer to me. Nothing. It just looks like a metal warrior with excellent articulation and balance. Just something I want to play with because it looks wicked. No kibble to distract you like a vehicle hanging off his back. Brilliant design really. Sometimes I just buy robots because they are cool and I love robots. My love of TFs is only a part of the greater robot love in this house.
Megatron really got the shaft in the movies. I think he was a different character in every one of them that I've seen which makes it impossible to have any connection. Prime started out ok and makes me want to vomit in these last few films.
Did you see Bumblebee gets his own film next year and it looks like it will be classic 50's and 60's cars? That would actually be some cool toys if the bot modes were not still insects.
Did you see Bumblebee gets his own film next year and it looks like it will be classic 50's and 60's cars? That would actually be some cool toys if the bot modes were not still insects.
I do really like that he turns into a cab-over instead of a big-nose rig... but that bot-mode... he's basically a shell-former with very little of the vehicle becoming any meaningful part of the bot, and those feet...:lmao:
But I am surprised how such a Bay-bot can turn into a G1-esque alt mode.
But I am surprised how such a Bay-bot can turn into a G1-esque alt mode.
Can't wait to get him and transform. From the videos I watched, every part of the cab turns inside out to reveal the Baybot. Damn impressive engineering from hastak and then Wei Jiang just knocked it out of the park. Never wanted a Nemesis until I saw this pimp Prime. Those flames with the gold outline and the purple weapons... Just beautiful.
He'd make for a perfect standalone MP Motor Master if he wasn't 2" taller than MP10.
He'd make for a perfect standalone MP Motor Master if he wasn't 2" taller than MP10.
Honestly if this was the Prime Bay had given us originally in normal colors and no flames or lips, I bet most of us would have cheered it. I mean, we have to cave a little going from 20yr old cartoon to mega live action movie. Most of the original Autobots would also be acceptable with some tweaking/toning down the jumbled mess and faces. It's the Decepticons that completely destroyed it except for Blackout. He's just badass.
I'm just not AT ALL a fan of completely abandoning the alt mode being a visible part of the bot with the Bay designs. I want to look at the bot and KNOW what the alt mode will be. He just WAY over complicates them and tries way too hard to over humanize their silhouettes and proportions.
And I don't buy that the designs needed to modernized. Am I supposed to believe that children wouldn't have gone bonkers for direct toon to live action translations (with real life details of course)? They would have eaten it up AND half of the fan base wouldn't have been alienated.
And I don't buy that the designs needed to modernized. Am I supposed to believe that children wouldn't have gone bonkers for direct toon to live action translations (with real life details of course)? They would have eaten it up AND half of the fan base wouldn't have been alienated.
This Nemesis Prime has all the parts Geewun had and in the same places. Windshield, grill, wheels, smokestacks, fuel tanks, tow hitch and even some body panels. He's just slimmed down as you said and the chest has a v angle to it. Cover up the shoulder horns with you finger and look, it's skinny Prime.
I will not defend any others because I agree, but I think you refuse to see the obvious with this figure because you hate Bayformers.
I will not defend any others because I agree, but I think you refuse to see the obvious with this figure because you hate Bayformers.
After seeing TLK tonight, I take back anything movie related I have ever defended or didn't think was udder dog shit. Holy hell. Worst characters and designs I could ever image. Just shits all over the entire series of movies.
All you need to know is Earth is actually Unicron and and Cybertron looks exactly like the coast of Ireland even though it has no atmosphere and is inhabitated by machines. Oh, and now humans with M4's hurt Transformers. Especially funny since Decepticons were basically invincible to humans with bigger guns in the first movie.
Eddie and Nacho, your wisdom is gospel.
All you need to know is Earth is actually Unicron and and Cybertron looks exactly like the coast of Ireland even though it has no atmosphere and is inhabitated by machines. Oh, and now humans with M4's hurt Transformers. Especially funny since Decepticons were basically invincible to humans with bigger guns in the first movie.
Eddie and Nacho, your wisdom is gospel.
This might be the cleanest, bestest backside we have even been given transformers wise. It doesn't look like it transforms, more of a revotech figure. Is this what you guys mean by them being too streamline without car chunks hanging off?
Nah, I just like looking at TFs and knowing what they turn into, as if their real-world transformations are reasonably simple, not millions of nano-panels morphing into something completely unrecognizable. I LIKE seeing the big cab on Prime's chest. I LIKE it being obvious that Sideswipe is a Countach or Jazz is a 935.
When I look at Bayformer bots, aside from the more brightly-colored like Prime and Bee, it's not clear who they are, it's not obvious what they turn into, or how that transformation would work. They're practically interchangeable.
If you took bayformer Jazz and through the magic of CGI turn him into the car-mode of bayformer Sideswipe, I don't think 99% of the viewing audience would even register that something was wrong because visually, there are no cues. With the G1 designs, it would be painfully clear something was amiss. Bayformers have no visual uniqueness, no memorable designs, and in the script, no characterization. Thus, Prime and Bee aside, they're literally non-entities... just interchangeable cannon fodder. Throw in the fact that they have ugly bug faces, and they simply don't register as transformers to me, just random goofy-looking robots I have zero connection to.
Calling a silver bug-faced bot that turns into a non-descript supercar "Jazz" lands about as well as calling a Wayans "Ripcord".
When I look at Bayformer bots, aside from the more brightly-colored like Prime and Bee, it's not clear who they are, it's not obvious what they turn into, or how that transformation would work. They're practically interchangeable.
If you took bayformer Jazz and through the magic of CGI turn him into the car-mode of bayformer Sideswipe, I don't think 99% of the viewing audience would even register that something was wrong because visually, there are no cues. With the G1 designs, it would be painfully clear something was amiss. Bayformers have no visual uniqueness, no memorable designs, and in the script, no characterization. Thus, Prime and Bee aside, they're literally non-entities... just interchangeable cannon fodder. Throw in the fact that they have ugly bug faces, and they simply don't register as transformers to me, just random goofy-looking robots I have zero connection to.
Calling a silver bug-faced bot that turns into a non-descript supercar "Jazz" lands about as well as calling a Wayans "Ripcord".
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Those are fucking awesome and I totally agree with you, but they definitely gave Prime the old nip and tuck treatment.
This is what I always dreamed about when it came out during the Alternators time frame and before the first movie:
https://youtu.be/4dilUbkP-PI
https://youtu.be/4dilUbkP-PI