Marvel: Phase Two

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I'm really psyched about Cap 2. My favorite trailer/preview so far:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORJAE3pVOMY[/ame]
 

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I think this is a bad move. Cap 3 vs Batman.

Marvel also has a movie planned for July that year. It would be better to have Cap in July imo.

I dunno, if anyone were to create competition for them, I'd think it could be a Marvel film. Although Iron Man 4 or Avengers 2/3 would probably be the only ones big enough to challenge a Batflick opening weekend. Depends on how Cap 2 and Avengers 2 does, I guess?


So stupid, but I admit I laughed.
 

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It's a bad move going against Supe/bat.

Superman has a cult following. Even that complete piece of shit Superman Returns did Monster numbers at the box office. Superman has 50-60 year olds that will go see it.

I think one of the two studios will switch the date.
 

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I'd rather see them go head to head and put the age old question of "who's the best" to bed...

I'd support Marvel just out of spite at the ugly Superman suit :bitteremoticon:
 

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If Supes wins, are Marvel lovers going to say "well DC is the best, we lost" ?

It's a lose lose for both companies.
 

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Well it's dumb for both, if they're trying to boast highest opening weekend. Splitting the ticket sales is bad for business, I agree. I wonder if Marvel's doing it to just be a dick and flex their muscles to make DC move. It's a game of chicken that one will lose, and will have to move or both will suffer attendance sales by at least half.
 

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But Marvel can risk it. They have several movies in the works. DC is trying to jump start a franchise.
 

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Yeah, I mean if Marvel wanted to say "fuck it" and abandon opening box office tickets for something like Cap 3, to kick the legs out from under DC's big weekend, it'd almost be worth it I guess. It's almost diabolical if that was their goal. :thumbsup:
 

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It's going to be inevitable. DC wants to make more movies but they're going to have to eventually go up against Marvel movies.
 

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DC put their movie opening date there, because they knew Marvel had traditionally opened several movies that weekend. In the end opening both movies the same weekend will hurt both companies. But no one will change dates until they see how well Cap 2 does & have a better idea of what their actual movies will look like.
 

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Thanks for the links Eddie!

I do like her in a more civilian look. She looks hot! I'm sure she'll get some crazy outfit in a future movie.
 

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Tons of reviews out there for Cap 2...his particular tidbit from this review pleases me...

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movie/captain-america-winter-soldier/review/689435

Captain America may not flex as much box-office muscle as his Marvel stablemates Iron Man and Thor, but there's a steadfast band of fans who pledge allegiance to Captain America: The First Avenger as possibly the best of all the Marvel superhero films — other than The Avengers. These true-blue enthusiasts will not be disappointed in this second entry in the series, which takes the bold (for Marvel) step of reducing CGI spectacle to a relative minimum in favor of reviving the pleasures of hard-driving old-school action, surprising character development and intriguing suspense
 

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http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=51462

I think this is a bad move. Cap 3 vs Batman.

Marvel also has a movie planned for July that year. It would be better to have Cap in July imo.

"Batman/Superman' Will "Lose" Showdown With 'Captain America 3"


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Remember the thread running through Captain America and The Avengers with Steve Rogers constantly jumping onto a grenade? Well, Steve Rogers just jumped onto another one. As of yesterday afternoon, The Hollywood Reporter reported that the mystery movie that Marvel Studios and Walt Disney DIS +0.18% has slotted for May 6th, 2016 is none other than Captain America 3. It’s no secret that Warner Bros. moved Batman Vs. Superman from its intended July 17th, 2015 release date to the current May 6th, 2016 slot. The move was partially one hope that Marvel and Disney would move whatever their untitled film happened to be to another release date. That untitled movie has been announced as being the third Captain America film. Warner Bros. (a division of Time Warner TWX -0.16%) has little choice but to pick a new release date. It has officially lost this game of chicken and will lose any showdown with Captain America 3 by default.


Aside from Disney announcing that Captain America: The Winter Soldier is very good (they wouldn’t have done this if they were expecting a deluge of negative reviews), the announcement signals to Warner Bros. that they are willing to use a property as valuable as Captain America as a tool to hurt DC Comics’s biggest and most important film. Marvel can afford to have its May, 2016 summer release, whatever that may be, gross a little less here and abroad if it means hurting Batman/Superman as a result of what amounts to a childish game of king of the mountain. But Warner Bros. can ill-afford to take a hit on Man Of Steel 2 merely as a result of Marvel calling their bluff. With its stable of properties, Marvel has little to lose at this point by colliding headfirst with Warner Bros.’ biggest franchise film. Captain America 3 doesn’t have to “winâ€￾ the showdown (because rank doesn’t matter) in order to “winâ€￾. It just has to hurt Batman/Superman even if they both wind up bloody. It just has to “go the distanceâ€￾ against the presumptive “victorâ€￾



This isn’t about which film will open higher or gross more. Both films should be relatively big hits even head-to-head. This is about the relative risk of harm to both brands. If Captain America 3 is a relative smash even head-to-head with Man of Steel 2, then it counts as a massive win for the House of Ideas and the Mouse House even if Batman/Superman doesn’t take a hit. If Captain America 3 under-performs at the worldwide box office, Disney has a perfect alibi. But the fact remains that if Batman/Superman is seen as under-performing at the box office for any reason, even direct competition with Captain America 3, Warner Bros. will be a much of a weaker position with their DC Comics properties. Captain America 3, especially if Marvel doesn’t plan to keep each character’s respective stand-alone franchise ongoing indefinitely, can be sacrificed without doing much harm to the Marvel brand. Batman/Superman must unequivocally succeed in order for Warner Bros. to do whatever Justice League plans they have up their sleeve.

This announcement shows without any doubt that Marvel will not be moving off their prized early-May summer kick-off slot. And their announcement of using that slot not for a newer property that must be protected but rather a second sequel to a major franchise shows both confidence in said franchise and/or a willingness to sacrifice one installment of an ongoing series in order to hurt their primary competition. Warner Bros. bluffed and Disney raised them accordingly. Warner Bros. now has little choice to move their Man Of Steel sequel. Their prime July 22nd 2016 release date is as of yet unoccupied. They have other options (late April, mid-June, etc.), but that date has been gold for Warner Bros. over the last decade.


Warner Bros. doesn’t need an expanded DC universe as much as Marvel needs an expanded universe (that’s for another day). But they absolutely need Batman/Superman, which features their holy trinity (the title duo plus Wonder Woman) to be a massive hit if they have any hope of having any kind of DC Comics cinematic franchises outside of another Batman reboot. Warner Bros. has far more to lose in this arguably pointless showdown than Disney. So they should swallow their pride and move their crown jewel to the release date that has provided them so much good fortune over the last decade. In a game of chicken, the participant that’s willing to crash their car usually wins. Worst case scenario, Disney can afford to wreck one of its several Marvel properties. Warner Bros. cannot afford to risk any preventable harm to their key DC Comics film.

Walt Disney has announced that Captain America 3 will now challenge Warner Bros.’ Batman/Superman on May 6th, 2016. But they will win that showdown no matter how this face-off turns out, because they can afford the sacrifice play. They can afford to have Steve Rogers jump on the grenade and take the hit so long as Bruce Wayne and Clark Kent get bloodied too. So the Man of Steel and the Dark Knight have little choice but to move to safer waters. With slated Ant Man for July 20th, 2015. Warner had best act fast before Marvel slots some “unannouncedâ€￾ project in the July 2016 slot. Man of Steel 2, opening in theaters everywhere on July 22nd, 2016. It’s the right call. Now watch in horror and glee as Lionsgate says “Oh really? Watch this!â€￾ and moves Hunger Games: Mockingjay Part II to May 6th, 2016 purely for their own sadistic amusement.


I do agree that DC has more at stake than Marvel, but as far as box office take, Batman/Superman is arguably going to be one of the biggest movies in the history of film.
 

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I'd wait for there to actually be a leaked photo before saying that. Batman/Superman sounds more like a mess of desperation. Marvel at least developed the idea of the Avengers through 4 movies (not counting Hulk).

Anyways, not interested at all in Batman/Superman. The reason I think the Nolan films worked so well for people was because it existed in a world without super powers.
 

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DC keeps making decisions that a lot of die hard fans hate and leave the indifferent fans scratching their heads...

While Marvel keeps doing things right (casting, costumes, story)...

If there's going to be a winner, I'd definitely bet on Marvel...they know that they are doing...they've been perfecting it for years...DC on the hand has been struggling with everything besides Batman for a long long time...
 

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I'd wait for there to actually be a leaked photo before saying that. Batman/Superman sounds more like a mess of desperation. Marvel at least developed the idea of the Avengers through 4 movies (not counting Hulk).

Anyways, not interested at all in Batman/Superman. The reason I think the Nolan films worked so well for people was because it existed in a world without super powers.

I agree with all of this especially the Bold
 

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Samuel Jackson talks about his role in Avengers 2, so I'm guessing he doesn't die in Cap 2. ;)

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=51724

Flashback maybe?...basically I'm suggesting he might still die in Cap 2...but seeing as he's got more movies left in his contract, I doubt he dies...he's a big name AND adds diversity...


Booooo!...I'm not a big Renner/Hawkeye fan..

As for RDJ saying he's getting too old :talktothehand:...I think his age works just fine for the character and a guy in an exo suit
 

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Flashback maybe?...basically I'm suggesting he might still die in Cap 2...but seeing as he's got more movies left in his contract, I doubt he dies...he's a big name AND adds diversity...

Yeah, I thought about that, or as some kind of uploaded consciousness or something, but it's doubtful if he's under contract.

Booooo!...I'm not a big Renner/Hawkeye fan..

+1

As for RDJ saying he's getting too old :talktothehand:...I think his age works just fine for the character and a guy in an exo suit

RDJ is Tony Stark. Nobody could replace him as that character.... NO ONE!!!!
 

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Totally agree about RDJ...someone could come along and do a good job I'm sure, but it would never be the same...much like Christopher Reeve IS Superman to me...no one will EVER be more Superman than him, EVER!