Joe Con 2013
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Well, Ripcord was fairly integral to the comics back in the day. He got far more panel time than Duke ever did.
But it all comes down to what part of the mythos you consider important. Some people think classic decos are important. Some people think staying accurate with modern military is important. Others, like myself, think that what made Joe special was the characterization. They went to phenomenal lengths back then to do serious world-building. It why Joe stood out from Sgt Rock, Eagle Force, and CORPS figures.
So when they make a Joe movie and f#$% up the characterization, that gets under my skin. I didn't care that they all wore black suit. No need for 80's costumes. I didn't care that they didn't carry their vintage gear. I'm all for modern guns. But I can't tolerate crappy inconsistent characterization.
I guess I don't link skin color with Ripcord's origins. In the comics, there really was much to his characterization that was tied his race or hair color. Ripcord was terrible because they made him a bumbling fool. If Seann William Scott played him, it would have been just as bad. Every Joe in that movie was horrible. Even the ones whose look was nailed. Before I saw Jack Reacher, I thought Cruise playing the role was a terrible idea because he doesn't come close to the stature of the character. After seeing it, that innaccuracy worked out better.
As for Roadblock, as much as I hate the murderer, I think Ray Lewis is a walking talking real life Roadblock. I think Terry Crews would work if you plan on him just saying, "body massage" throughout the whole movie.
As for Roadblock, as much as I hate the murderer, I think Ray Lewis is a walking talking real life Roadblock. I think Terry Crews would work if you plan on him just saying, "body massage" throughout the whole movie.
I think Hasbro wants a mix of adult collectors and kids. I think it's the reason the first couple of Retaliation waves are heavy on bright colors and spring loaded weapons. In reality, a kid isn't going to buy every figure like a man-child. I believe that is their thinking which is why the crap will be an initial heavy dose until the cooler figs come out.
roposetoast:your quite possibly right, to which I wonder even more, why not have 2 seperate lines? One catering to the kids, which I still believe is the larger market, and one geared towards the adult. Sill leaves us with the modern update vs ARAH issue. Still think POC/30th had a perfect mix or even if they had a modern line with a few classic interenet 7 packs or something along those lines
I'm completely on board with this. They do it with STar Wars. We still get non-movie MU along with all of the Avenger and Spidey tie-ins.
I think Hasbro would be successful with an Modern update line and a generic military line (kind of like Dragon or BBi, but with Joe articulation). Pretty much nix any attempt to bust out those generic 12" figs and replace them with 4" ones.
I would absolutely love this, convert the pretty cool shit they had in the mid 2000s into a 1:18 line. It would seem like they would sale also.
Great discussion we got going on here...needs derailing?
Or unions
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LOVED that post!...specially the last Reso bit...oh, also the MUT nod
Or unions
*insert not sure if serious pic*
LOVED that post!...specially the last Reso bit...oh, also the MUT nod
Hello all,
Barring any unforseen issues we will start registration on Friday, February 1.
If you can't log in, check your log in at gijoeclub.com/shop. If you have expired, you will not
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If you are registering with another member, you will need their log in and password to receive
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If you complete your order with non-member pricing, we CANNOT adjust your pricing. Please
understand what you are ordering and confirm the pricing before you check out.
Please take a look at the souvenir T-shirts, Hat and Beanie that you can add to your order at the end.
You will find pictures under the exclusives tab. The Night Force shirt and both hats glow in the dark.
If you have not read the brochure, please do so before you register as you have 8 minutes to complete
your registration before the system puts your items back into stock. You cannot hold them in your
cart longer than that amount of time, however you can start over.
Sets are limited and we cut the 12" sets down by 1/3rd so they are really limited this year.
We do reserve the right to limit any member's quantities if we deem them excessive.
Attending and Non-attending can both register Friday.
I'll send out an email when the link is live.
Thanks for your patience, see you in Indy!
Brian
email from the club
Barring any unforseen issues we will start registration on Friday, February 1.
If you can't log in, check your log in at gijoeclub.com/shop. If you have expired, you will not
be able to receive member pricing.
If you are registering with another member, you will need their log in and password to receive
member pricing.
If you complete your order with non-member pricing, we CANNOT adjust your pricing. Please
understand what you are ordering and confirm the pricing before you check out.
Please take a look at the souvenir T-shirts, Hat and Beanie that you can add to your order at the end.
You will find pictures under the exclusives tab. The Night Force shirt and both hats glow in the dark.
If you have not read the brochure, please do so before you register as you have 8 minutes to complete
your registration before the system puts your items back into stock. You cannot hold them in your
cart longer than that amount of time, however you can start over.
Sets are limited and we cut the 12" sets down by 1/3rd so they are really limited this year.
We do reserve the right to limit any member's quantities if we deem them excessive.
Attending and Non-attending can both register Friday.
I'll send out an email when the link is live.
Thanks for your patience, see you in Indy!
Brian
email from the club
Yeah, I saw that. I still need to decide if I'm going or not. May just get a Homefront Heroes set and have to deal with eBay if the extra stuff at Con is any good. I don't have a "bro" nerd I'm close enough with to go, and I'm not going with my girlfriend, and sure as shit not by myself.
Guess I'll need to decide tonight, heh.
Guess I'll need to decide tonight, heh.
Pretty surprised to hear this from you two, well at least Giga. You both should know by now SW and Marvel are orders of magnitude more universal as properties than G.I. Joe. PoC/30th was about as close as we were ever gonna get to a "2 line solution". Saying they should handle Joe like it was SW is almost always a recipe for failure.
Would I like a Hasbro BbJoe line? Yeah, but they'd be 20 bucks and you'd only find a couple of figures every other wave like the 25th line, at least around here. They could always try to resurrect DTC, or a MOTUC-style subscription service, but I don't see it working for G.I. Joe for some reason.
Off topic, but on the subject of an animated medium, I still think I'd like to see a Japanese studio to do a Joe 'toon or OVA.
absolutley, SW,TF all bigger properities, with the fan base to support multiple lines. Hasbro can barely bring one line to retail, let alone trying to run 2 congruent, which is why I think the only viable way would be through an interenet exclusive or as you said subscription Service. Not the clubs kitbashed attempt but a true "dyed in the wool" line geared towards the adult collector. with a nice mix of Modern and classic and lots of accessories. I'd pay $20 per figure for that. But given Hasbros track record ultimately I would agree, I can't see Hasbro making it work, let alone the forthought to even attempt it.
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I really just want cool military figures to loiter in/around my Bbi and 21st vehicles. I don't care if they are Joes aymore. Joes just happen to be, if not the best, the best starting point.
If Bbi or Unimax came out with a line biting the Joe articulation I'd probably go over to those. At least that way I wouldn't have to listen to some 35-40 year old man bitch that Hasbro hasn't released a to-the-stich recreation of the '91 Incinerators or Fast Draw. *shrugs*
If Bbi or Unimax came out with a line biting the Joe articulation I'd probably go over to those. At least that way I wouldn't have to listen to some 35-40 year old man bitch that Hasbro hasn't released a to-the-stich recreation of the '91 Incinerators or Fast Draw. *shrugs*
Do you even know what I talking about?
Edit: I'm not talking about a $20 master line. Pretty much keep doing what theyre doing but make a line of basic military at a slightly lower pricepoint. Just a ME styled fig with a couple accessories. I think even the whiney man children would buy them up just to serve as "green shirts". Plus we know how much Hasbro loves kit bashing and reusing molds, the entire line would be like that.
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First, you don't have to hear a 40 year old bitch about there not being a Banzai yet because most of those guys are at the His Stank and the only reason you would want to go there is to hear 4o year olds bitch.
Second, if BBI does release figures, they're going to be their old style at $15-$20 pricepoints. Hasbro could find a way to keep them in a $7-10 range without fucking TBars.
I could see it, I would love to see it. The odds of it happening though are barely any
I think Hasbro is trying to get into the same business as Marvel and DC, and that is to make money off their properties, i.e. movies, rather than their core business. Marvel made more on Avengers than they did selling comics. Hasbro's goal is no longer selling fun toys. They're selling a brand, and if that brand doesn't have potential in other media, resulting in licensing to lunchboxes and bedsheets (along with selling more of their own toys), then they just simply are not interested.
They've seen others do it successfully, and they desperately want a piece, even if it means being blinded by their own greed and making poor decisions ("battleship: the movie" anyone?)
They've seen others do it successfully, and they desperately want a piece, even if it means being blinded by their own greed and making poor decisions ("battleship: the movie" anyone?)
I've seen it on most of the Joe boards, actually.
As for Bbi, all they'd do is relrease old molds with new paint decos. I like the T-bars, so I don't want them going anywhere. This is all mental mastubation because we all know Hasbro is gonna do what it's gonna do. That means, maybe, an occasional Joe or Cobra that looks like modern military, possible loss of articulation, and a price point that will still creep upwards.
So we'll all do what we have been. Buy what we like, be it for nostalgia, custom purposes or because it's cool as-is, and grouse about toys on a fucking forum.
Oh, and because it's in my contract:
Hasbro vehicles suck, deal with it.
Didn't Hasbro essentially do two lines already, during the 30th, when they were releasing new stuff alongside figures like Low Light, Lifeline and Sci-Fi?
I would say they did that by releasing generic 12" figures with the 30th packaging along with the 4" 30th line.
I just want any stuff. period. I don't give a shit if it's modern military, homages, updates, or halo ripoffs. As long as it's not sporting 1977 articulation, its all got a place as part of my collection or in my customs bin. But the complete lack of product (i.e. no joes anywhere except at DG) is what really irks me. I just don't get how they think that nothing is better than something.
I really think that had something to do with factory turnaround time - maybe they couldn't come up with new product to fill the void fast enough when they pushed back all of the Retaliation stuff to this year, or something similar.
Maybe the regular retailers were burned badly enough by Retaliation that they didn't want the DG figures? That'd be the only reason I can think of for that line not showing up with a bigger release.
Oh, I know the retaliation delay was a kick in the nuts to the toy scheduling. But still, you think they could put out more than six repaints in under a year.
I'm a little surprised that some retailers didn't tell them to go fly a kite over retaliation. They got royally screwed with a media specific product with no media. I'll be stunned if they all start carrying retaliation figs a second time.
Nonethless, they've had PLENTY of time to plan the post-retaliation iteration of Joe. If it's not spectacular and epic, it will say a lot about what they think of their own property. Toy Fair will be very interesting.
I'm a little surprised that some retailers didn't tell them to go fly a kite over retaliation. They got royally screwed with a media specific product with no media. I'll be stunned if they all start carrying retaliation figs a second time.
Nonethless, they've had PLENTY of time to plan the post-retaliation iteration of Joe. If it's not spectacular and epic, it will say a lot about what they think of their own property. Toy Fair will be very interesting.
True, I'm really interested to see what's coming next. I hope it's at least on the scale of Pursuit of Cobra.
I'd be okay with that, as long as they don't go the route of Pursuit of Cobra City Strike Scarlett.
